Remember when I said that there were blatant insults to James Holmes and a user got called a "jack@$$" by an admin? I know Holmes did a terrible thing, and I would insult him IRL, but insults aren't the answer on SNN. The fact that users insult people who aren't users or family (that we know of, anyway) but can't insult users on SNN seems like we're making ourselves better than them.
Also, I know Wikia is community based, but if you're going to make a rule, you might aswell make it consistent.
If you see instances where Users/Admins are making personal attacks against other Users, you report it to other Administrators. It isn't SNN's job to monitor any criticisms made towards people who are in no way related to the SNN community, as we have no jurisdiction over what people say about others OUTSIDE of SNN, nor is it SNN's job to monitor what people say about others who show up on SNN only to cause trouble, as they've done nothing to earn any protection from SNN's NPA Policy, or any other policy for that matter. The NPA policy is a rule that was made to follow by SNN members, and it's states that on the site you don't make personal attacks against your fellow Users. That does not, in any way, say that SNN thinks they're better than anyone who isn't a part of SNN's community. Also, why're you coming to me about this? I wasn't the one who blocked you.
I'm coming to you becasue you asked me on the site discussions, and I don't plan to come to anyone about my block, cuz I agree that I should've been. (Though not for 3 moths.) Also, in the first sentence of my first point, you'll see that I said that I was sure you guys didn't mean to be arrogant, it just comes off that way.
Also, I know it's not SNN's job to protect users with the NPA policy and that they've done nothing to earn it. I never said that. What I did say, however, was that we should improve the NPA policy so that they are. Yes they're not affiliated with SNN (as far as we know) but regaurdless, it is still a personal attack against someone, and the rule is inconsistent becasue of that. IMO, it's just not fair to not be able to insult SNN users, but for us to perfectly fine with insulting other people.
You're missing the point, Froggy. It isn't our job to censor everybody who says anything bad about ANYONE. That's ludicrous. We can only makes rules regarding only SNN because, again, we have no jurisdiction over what SNN members say about whoever if they aren't a part of SNN in any way, or have done absolutely nothing to earn any respect from SNN's community. I'm sorry if you think that makes us come off as arrogant, but in reality it's making sure that everyone on the site gets along. As far as I'm concerned, the NPA policy is fine as it is.
I'm not trying to censor everybody. We can all have opinions. I just want to censor personal attacks. Also, what about the rule in question that sais don't lie? I went to the page and saw you're in support of it. Isn't that also ludacrous to find every lie? There's probably not many, but like I said, I haven't seen many places where personally attacking non SNN users happens.
I agree that it's very likely we won't catch every user doing that, but all I was suggesting was that if we do happen to catch someone doing that, we do something about it. Saying that i'm trying to say that I think we can catch everyone is like saying minor edits are pointless because there will always be minor things to change.
Yes, they haven't done anything to earn it, but they should need to IMO. It's not like we're going completely out of our way to enforce something. If we see it, we give a user a warning/block them. That's it. It's really not that hard as far as I know.
I see no such rule that says "Don't lie" on SNN's policy page.
If there's hardly any issues where SNN Users are making personal attacks towards one another, then what are you complaining about? If it isn't a real issue, then why do we need to improve the NPA policy?
Whether anyone new to SNN wants to earn protection/privileges from our policies is their business, not ours. If they come on to the Wiki solely to break the rules then as far as I'm concerned they don't deserve to be protected by our NPA policy or any other policy. And no, SNN isn't going out of it's way to enforce it's NPA policy, you are. You admitted to me that personal attacks towards other users hardly ever happen as it is, from what you can see, so I see no logical reason to improve something if it's already doing it's job just fine. The only reason I can see why it wouldn't is if Users didn't report anything if they saw any rule-breaking occuring. In cases like that, it isn't the NPA policy's fault, it's the User who decided to keep his/her mouth shut instead of helping enforce the policy.
Your arguments are failing to convince me that there's any real flaws with the NPA policy. You'd be better off either trying to make arguments about actual problems with the policy, or trying to convince someone else to see things from your point of view, because as of now you're not going to get any support from me on this.
"Don't lie" was part of Bullet's suggestion in the site discussions. I saw you support it.
Also, how exactly am I going out of my way? It takes like 2 minutes to type these messages, which is barely any time at all. Also, it doesn't happen that much, but it still does. I usually don't see religious debates in places that have absolutely nothing to do with religon, but does that mean that it isn't annoying? Of course not. It's still worth enforcing IMO if it happens, and again, i'm not going out of my way by taking about 5 minutes to make a site discussion, and 2 to make arguments.
If you're certain you're not going to be convinced, then fine, i'll stop messaging you, but at least let me know you've read this.