Talk:Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service
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[edit] Mercinaries
It bothers me that people keep refering to the UBCS as Militia. They are similar in many respects to a militia in that they are a group of irregular army, but they are more like a Para-military organization. They could be better described as private contractors simmilar to "Black Water". --Krauser Pk18 21:04, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- Thats cause they are a Paramilitary unit as is the USS and i see no ones corrected the ubcs page either, ubcs more than likely does have multiple companys but the 120 number would be rendered wrong then only 1 companys worth was featured in re3 deployed to raccoon city as the 120 amount a company is comprised of 75-200 soldiers. If one takes into account the outbreak special items and makes them canon (refering to the uss arm band)then its possible the UBCS was made up of multiple battalions and could of been a brigade, 2-6 companys = 1 battalion 3-6 battalions = 1 brigade but the only thing that could be based on is if sergei formed the UBCS unit similiar in size and organization to what hed been incharge of as a colonel --Lordcc 19:31, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
[edit] UBCS
According to Wikipedia: "A platoon is a military unit typically composed of two to four sections or squads and containing about 30 to 50 soldiers. Platoons are organised into a company, which typically consists of three, four or five platoons" So from this it's clear that only one company (containing 75-200 soldiers) was sent to Raccoon City which consisted of about five platoons. If each platoon had 2 squads and each squad had 6 members and a Commanding Officer that would make thirteen members to a platoon x 5 = 65 which means that they lack ten men that make up the minimum 75 man company.
However if the whole army of the UBCS consists of 120 men then one company (Company A) would consist of 60 men which would be five platoons containing two squads of five men each and would have only one commanding officer (Possibly Mikhail). This is the only way I could see the suggested 120 members coming into play. --Zombie-Killer69 16:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- 120 members into 4 Platoons, as far as we know, "Company A" (Hypothetical name) only had 4 Platoons. That makes 40 men per platoon. That's around how much "Chopper Delta" would be able to carry.-- Forerunner 17:03, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- 120 divided by 4 is 30 not 40. So that means that there are 30 men per platoon. We know Delta Platoon had two squads since Carlos is from Squad A so we can assume that each squad had 15 members although only 7 members of Squad A are accounted for in the known personnel section which takes into account named members from both the book and the game (Resident Evil 3). --Zombie-Killer69 17:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ok :-) Out of Curiosity.. Where does it say that the UBCS contains between 120 and 200 members? --Zombie-Killer69 17:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- I know this sounds similiar to like 4 months ago? I think :P but yea forerunners right there would be 4 platoons sent to racoon city as a company, a each consisting of 30 members 1 lt 29 soldiers one could assume from mikhails setup. divided into 2 15 man squads or 3 10 man squads their formation isnt all that fixed considering how many squads was destroyed in the opening of their landings and well never know all 120 names sent to raccoon and definately not all 30 of delta as within the first few secs of the re3 intro 7 delta members die and hopefully this talk didnt start over my comments above based on how large ubcs could be beyond the group sent to raccoon based on items from outbreak --Lordcc 02:12, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, So if the Company Consists of 120 members it would contain 4 platoons (Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta/A,B,C,D) with 2 squads (A + B) of 15 soldiers and it's own commanding officer (e.g. Mikhail). Squads contain between 8 and 14 soldiers and a squad leader (Carlos, Nicholai etc) So to make the 30 soldiers per squad each squad would have the maximum 14 men. We also know that the unit contained Teams (e.g. Echo Team), in military units it is common for some squads to have Fireteams of 4 or fewer soldiers so this must be what Echo Team is. So that would be 4 plattoons of 30 men (two sqauds of 15) which would be 120 men. So with that we can assume that this is how the unit is structured. --Zombie-Killer69 11:50, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- yep :P sounds like things i said on your talk page lol it seems 2 squads is the more likely but 3 of 10 each containing 2 fireteams is still likely otherwise its 15 made of 3 fireteams we can only assume unless raccoon city and the ubcs is hugely revisited with nearly every soldier in the ubcs being named and assigned to a platoon or at least delta platoon,which would be interesting wed find out if arnold is in charlie so far we only know he lead a squads worth of ubcs, the bridge fireteam and possibly a 2nd fireteam with the mines, and kraus and his groups platoon, or they could just name over 20 total assigning em to a or b squad..which would mean c squad couldnt exist, i still dislike how ubcs uses teams to mean fireteam and uss uses teams to mean squads...--Lordcc 12:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- "Squad" and "Team" are interchangeable. "S.T.A.R.S. Alpha team" has been referred to as the "Alpha Squad" before. "Team" and "Squad" would just mean a group of people from a larger group, so "Echo Team" may in fact just be a splinter cell of say... Charlie Platoon, perhaps their Lieutenant just asked for a certain number of men to do something, rather than there being a specific team already formed for such missions. -- Forerunner 12:06, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah sounds quite plausible. At last we have consensus!! :-) --Zombie-Killer69 12:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- :P i think we had a consensus along time ago alot of this sounds like things me and forerunner said on your talk page heh. i dont think ive ever heard stars alpha team refered to as squad im not sure but i believe fore on it. it would still be interesting if ubcs was mentioned more indepth in re would be nice to find out who the unkown platoon members belong to the hopes of which mostly died with a ob3 or the actual finished original outbreak before it was turned into the files espically charlie --Lordcc 12:20, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- That's kinda true but I just thought there were some questions left unanswered and the topic needed a bit more discussion. I think the Squad part of the Special Tactics and Rescue Squad is what Forerunner was referring to. I also agree that any hope of getting any further info on the ubcs was abondoned with the notion of Outbreak file 3 because judging by the abandoned character models there would've been a scenario involving the squad which could've potentially opened up a lot more info in the way of files and dialogue etc. I think what we've come up with gives us signifigant information as regards the composition of the whole unit though. And we can also fill in the blanks ourselves to some degree as regards to naming the unnamed members like S.D. Perry did in her books. --Zombie-Killer69 15:51, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
